girls leading to massacres, as always

Two comments on some international press coverage of the Virginia Tech shooting that does the usual victim-blaming, woman-bashing thing:

—from Emma

… [British tabloids] have a penchant for the scarlet lady, the vile temptress, the fallen woman. […] It seems they’ve found another one. The most nauseating of their endless, masturbatory speculation seems to have fixated on the young woman who was the first victim. Headlines include this from the Metro – a paper so bad they give it away for free:

“The Girl who Lead to a Massacre”

[subsequently changed, possibly due to reader outrage, to the marginally better “Was it an obsession with Emily that drove gunman to kill?”, although the article still begins with “This is the face of the teenage student who may have sparked the biggest gun massacre in US history.”]

I’m physically shaking as I type this. I am so damn angry. This is but one headline, typical of the tabloid press today, particularly those owned by the D**ly M*il. The sneering implication behind all of them is that this “vibrant girl with an engaging personality” had brought this horror down on all the victims, by rejecting the romantic/sexual advances of the murderer. This is the overwhelming message spun by our gutter press in the UK.

I’m appalled. I’m ashamed.

—and from Jennifer

I wrote to someone last night after I heard about this young woman’s murder and said that I expected the media to once again blame women for this man committing murder. Little did I know my view would be proven true within less than 24 hours.

This young woman did not cause her own death or the deaths of so many others. The one whose photo or at the very least name which should have appeared is the man who pulled the trigger. This man took revenge on the young woman because she dared to end her relationship with him.

This man was not a ‘loner’ neither was he isolated – rather he reacted as so many other men have done – by murdering a woman because he believed she belonged to him utterly. The authorities themselves dismissed the first shootings as ‘just a domestic’ until such time as more males were being murdered. Such is the total disregard for any woman’s life.

Now all the focus is on gun laws – very cleverly omitting the fact it is was not guns but how so many males continue to be socialised into believing they are entitled to control and dominate any woman who happens to come into their lives.

[similarly, the headline and sub-headline for the story in the Australian Daily Telegraph were “Was gunman crazed over Emily?” and “THIS is the face of the girl who may have sparked the worst school shooting in US history.” next to a picture of her.]

… Not only does this headline sexualise the poor woman it also portrays the male gunman as being driven crazy by this young woman’s supposed irresistible sexuality. The only person responsible and to blame for these murders is Cho Seung-Hui. He took a decision to pull the trigger and the media is deliberately attempting to deflect attention away from yet another case of male violence against women. The media would be advised to ask questions concerning how boys and men are socialised into what is termed dominant masculinities which in turn normalises and justifies male violence against women and children.

(see also article by Jennifer on End Violence Against Women blog)

It’s a very good thing that readers are complaining about the callous, disrespectful stance of the media towards this female victim. Unfortunately, by way of “apology” (?) the Daily Telegraph staff hypothesizes that reader outrage may be due to “some cultural confusion between the US and Australia” or the fact that “the hurt and devastation of this event [is] so monumental that people need to vent their anger and confusion at something, anything” – commenting nothing about the problem itself, nor taking responsibility for their misstep (they probably figure victim blaming happens all the time and it’s so accepted, as is misogyny in general, that it’s unfair for readers to pick on them specifically). Apparently, they are in a similar conundrum with reader reaction to a racial slur published in one of their articles yesterday… and they’re just as shocked that someone complained. Of course.

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more at Feministe
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on a very different note (ABOUT LIVIU LIBRESCU)
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and more:

“Virgina Tech Massacre: Blame Feminism!” – Andi Zeisler, WIMN’s Voices

Add “mass murder” to the ever-growing list of societal problems that can be pinned on feminism. In this appalling article from the UK’s Times Online, Sarah Baxter posits quite confidently that last week’s carnage is the fault not of Cho Seung-hi, but of the shameless hussies that comprised Virginia Tech’s female population — women who dared to have sexual relationships, spurn the advances of creepy dudes, and speak their minds when they felt harassed. Those uppity little sluts! Of Cho’s first victim, Emily Hilscher, Baxter writes:

“Perhaps there was something about her that reminded Cho of another girl he had fancied — the one he had sneaked into the women’s dorm to see but, as a roommate recalled, “When he looked into her eyes, he saw promiscuity.”

Such assertions wouldn’t be complete without the rubber-stamp of an expert, of course—and whaddya know, here’s Camille Paglia, bringing her characteristic brand of victim-blaming “logic” to an explanation of why the slaughter of Emily and 31 others really isn’t Cho’s fault …

“Mass Murderers and Women: What We’re Still Not Getting About Virgina Tech” – James Ridgeway, Mother Jones

Of all the lessons contained in the horror at Virginia Tech, the one least likely to be learned has to do with the deadly danger posed by the dismissive way we still view violence against women.

The first person killed by Cho Seung-Ho, a freshman named Emily Hilscher, was initially rumored to be Cho’s current or former girlfriend – the subject of his obsession or jealous rage. It now appears that she never had a relationship with Cho, but the rumors were spread quickly, especially by blogs and by the international tabloid press. The UK’s Daily Mail headlined the “Massacre Gunman’s Deadly Infatuation with Emily,” while Australia’s Daily Telegraph published a photo of a smiling Hilscher with the line “THIS is the face of the girl who may have sparked the worst school shooting in US history.” (The page is still up.) Some accounts stooped to suggesting, with zero evidence, that the victim had jilted Cho, cheated on him, or led him on.

More significantly, local police and university administrators appear to have initially bought this motive, and acted accordingly. In the two hours between the murders of Hilscher and her dorm neighbor Ryan Clark, and Cho’s mass killings at another university building, they chose not to cancel classes or lock down the campus. (They did choose to do so, however, in August 2006, when a man shot a security guard and a sheriff’s deputy and escaped from a hospital two miles away.) Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed the first shooting was a “domestic dispute” and thought the gunman had fled the campus, so “We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur.” The assumption, apparently, is that men who kill their cheating girlfriends are criminals, but they are not crazy, not psychopaths, and not a danger to anyone other than the woman in question. (Or, as one reader commented at Feministe sarcastically, “Like killing your girlfriend is no big deal.”)

In fact, these attitudes ignore past evidence of both “domestic disputes” and a more generalized misogyny as motives in mass killings. Multiple murders in homes and workplaces often begin with a man killing his wife or girlfriend. Mark Barton, who in 1999 shot nine people in an Atlanta office building, began the day by bludgeoning to death his children and his wife; six years earlier he had been a suspect in the death of his first wife and her mother, who were also beaten to death. In another high-profile case, the December 1989 mass shooting at Montreal’s Ecole Polytechnique, Marc Lepine was after women, whom he hated, and had a list of feminists he wanted to kill. He murdered four men and 14 women, and wounded 10 more women. In September 2006, Duane Roger Morrison walked into Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colo., and took six female students hostage, killing one. And last October, Charles Carl Roberts IV took over an Amish schoolhouse, let the boys go, and killed five girls.

One warning sign in such cases is a history of stalking and harassment of women. At Virginia Tech, in September 2005, poet Nikki Giovanni had Cho removed from her class at Virginia Tech after female students complained that he was using his cell phone to take pictures of their legs underneath the desks; some refused to come to class while Cho was there. In November and December of that year, two female students reported receiving threatening messages from Cho, and one said he was stalking her. But charges were never filed, and police and university officials didn’t seem especially worried about the women. Yet, as Arlen Specter pointed out in comments on the VT shooting made during the Gonzalez hearings Thursday, Cho had been accused of a “crime against the state as well as against the students,” and the local DA could have taken up the case.

According to the Stalking Resource Center, one million women are stalked in the U.S. every year. In two-thirds of the cases where a female victim asks for a police protective order, that order is violated. Earlier this month, Rebecca Griego, a researcher at the University of Washington, was murdered in her office by her ex-boyfriend after she had reported his threats to the university police and Seattle police, changed her phone number, moved out of her apartment, distributed photos and descriptions of her stalker, and sought an order for protection.

One third of female murder victims are killed by an intimate partner (as opposed to about 3 percent of male victims). Of these, 76 percent had been stalked by the partner in the year prior to their murder. Murder ranks second (after accidents) as the leading cause of death among young women. And if the Supreme Court and abortion opponents really want to protect the lives of fetuses, they might consider this: Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant women in the United States. …

campanie/info anti-trafic

anunt pentru o actiune in londra – este o idee buna:

Go on the town on Saturday, May 19, 11am – and help the fight against sex trafficking

These days more and more lads’ nights out end up at lap-dancing clubs, ‘massage parlours’ and brothels. But how many of those lads know what’s really going on in these places?

Thousands of women in the UK are manipulated and coerced into prostitution every year. Women like Ellen, who was abducted in Albania and sold to a brothel in London’s West End, where she was forced to have sex with up to 40 men every day. If she tried to refuse, she was beaten, raped and threatened with death. She was 15 years old.

The Truth Isn’t Sexy
is a campaign highlighting this brutal reality, using posters and beer mats, which we need to get into as many pubs and bars as we can. …

We’d love you to join us on Saturday May 19, when our teams will be blitzing the watering holes of central London, to see if they’ll put up our posters and/or have our beermats on their tables. It’ll be a great way to spend a Saturday, and should get our message out all over central London. …

www.thetruthisntsexy.com

foarte util si informativ: articol despre miscarea anti-violenta si anti-trafic in bulgaria, probleme general valabile in europa de est [en]

recent: “Autoritatile romane: Victimele traficului o duc bine!”

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lista lf-ro de resurse anti-trafic

useful advice

hehe:

As a mighty and brilliant patriarch, comfortable in the knowledge that you have earned every bit of your life’s privilege within a just and equal global meritocracy, you may occasionally come across individuals that cause you great discomfort and inconvenience. Sometimes these individuals self-identify as feminist. Other times it’s up to you to label them. In any case, it’s on everyone’s mind: what do I say to these hysterical shrews? How can I calm them down and assist them in seeing reason? The following is a step-by-step guide that will help you help them.
Step One: Cite Essential Difference. …
Step Two: Invoke Science. …
Step Three: Demand a Definition of Feminism and if Necessary, Provide One. …
Step Four: Incite Fear. …
Step Five: Call The Shots and Talk Like She’s a Little Girl …
Step Six: Helpfully Suggest How To Be a Nicer Feminist. …
Step Seven, the Last Resort: Retreat. …

details @ Team Rainbow: “How to Talk to a Feminist”

Ladyfest-Romania 2007 CAUTA designerE pt LOGO NOU!!!

Ladyfest-Romania (editia 2007 care va avea loc la Bucuresti in Octombrie) are nevoie de un nou logo. Cine este interesata sa vina cu propuneri poate trimite la: ladyfest_ro@yahoo.com

DEADLINE : 14 Mai 2007

Designul castigator va fi ales pe baza de vot, si artista castigatoare va primi: 2 bilete pass-partout la festival si un tricou (sau pentru cele din afara bucurestiului ajutor cu costul transportului)

Logo-ul respectiv va fi folosit pentru: afisul festivalului, bilete/pass-uri, coperta brosurii, si pe website.

Trimiteti imaginile in format jpg, tif sau gif nu mai mari de 500Kb

Afisul editiei 2005 poate fi vazut aici :
https://fia.pimienta.org/afis/afis_ladyfest.gif

(later) riot grrrl stuff

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deerhoof, “this magnificent bird will rise” (reveille, 2002)

sleater-kinney, “entertain” (the woods, 2005)

+ live version:

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“girl monster” compilation from chainsaw records!
***A massive triple-CD celebration of the alternative history and future of women’s creative audio output. You get sixty-one boundary-pushing tracks that run from the original girl monsters of punk through the 1990s riot grrls to contemporary tricksters and electro-rock pranksters.

TRACKLISTING

CD ONE

1. Girlmonster Intro
2. Scream Club Vs. Ben Adorable Feat. Peaches – Fine As Fuck
3. Mignon – Demons Of Love
4. Le Tigre – Hot Topic
5. Barbara Morgenstern – Mountain Place
6. Angie Reed – G. G. (Gaudy Good)
7. Pam Hogg – Honeyland
8. Rhythm King And Her Friends – Speedometer
9. Hanin Elias – Get It Back
10. Kevin Blechdom – Me Saw Me Momma
11. Ana da Silva – Full Moon
12. Anat Ben David – Virtual Leisure
13. Sir Alice – Super Hero
14. Chicks On Speed – Plastic Surgery
15. Vivien Goldman – Launderette
16. Tina Weymouth – Incognito
17. Client – Down To The Underground
18. Kids On TV – Break Dance Hunx (Market Value Mix)
19. Boyskout – School Of Etiquette
20. Erase Errata – Dust
21. No Bra – No Woman No Crime

CD TWO

1. Pulsallama – Ungawa Pt. 2 Remix
2. The Slits – Typical Girls (Live)
3. Delta 5 – Mind Your Own Business
4. Cherry Sunkist – Nameless Dogs
5. Japanese Intelligence Mind Control – Get The Picture
6. Autonervous – Anchors Away
7. Cobra Killer – Mr. Chang
8. Planningtorock – Changes
9. Hanayo – Pita Pata
10. Björk – Storm
11. Tobi Vail – Panic Of The Square
12. Gustav – We Shall Overcome
13. Bonnie Vs. Hunter – Our Inventions
14. Françoise Cactus – You Can’t Put Your Arms Around A Memory
15. LiliPUT – Die Matrosen
16. Katastrophe – Your Girlfriend
17. Lesbians On Ecstasy – Sedition
18. Electric Indigo & Dorit Chrysler – Sheets
19. Cosey Fanni Tutti – Licking The Juice

CD THREE

1. Hotel Motel – Sucker Man
2. Gudrun Gut – Girl Boogie
3. The Creatures – Godzilla (Siouxsie And Budgie’s Girl Monster Mix)
4. Soffy O – Maybe A Dog
5. Ella Bandita – New Year’s Eve
6. Las Perras Del Infierno – Somos Las Perras
7. Juliette And The Licks – You’re Speaking My Language
8. Miss Le Bomb – Pinkitan
9. Cat5 – Sexy
10. Robots In Disguise – Get RID!
11. People Like Us – Fom Fom
12. Michaela Melián – Manifesto
13. Susanne Brokesch – Heroes (History Mix)
14. Scream Club Vs. Leonard DeLeonard – International
15. Crystal Cookie – Crystal Cookie (Lesson 1)
16. Caro Snatch – Say Trees
17. Malaria! – Your Turn To Run
18. The Raincoats – Shouting Out Loud
19. Vivien Goldman w/ Andy Caine & Manasseh Sound – Seven Days
20. Ari Up – Baby Mother (Toxicgirl Strip Mix)
21. Miss Pain – Sell It 2 The Kids (Megaphone Version)

Fast music doesn’t mean violent dancing.

In ultima vreme am tot fost la diferite concerte,in mare parte concerte punk.Nu am de gand sa fac acum vreo recenzie,intrucat nu stiu daca este exact locul portivit pentru asa ceva si oricum as ocoli prea mult motivul petru care am deschis acest blog.
Per total,atmosfera a fost ok,de fiecare data,prieteni,muzica si voie buna,fara prea multe incidente majore.
Insa,ce am observat de fiecare data,fie ca pe scena au fost Los Fastidios,fie ca au fost cei de la Pavilionul 32,a fost violenta cu care se manifesta publicul la concertele de genul.Pumni si picioare aruncate aiurea in aer,oameni lovind in nestire in stanga si in dreapta,nepasandu-le daca cineva este ranit din cauza inconstientei lor.
Sunt de parere ca mergem la concerte ca sa ne simtitm bine,sa vedem o trupa pe care o admiram prestand la cativa metri in fata noastra,sa ne intalnim cu prieteni,sau de ce nu,sa cunoastem noi oameni,in nici un caz sa ma intorc acasa cu buza sparta,vanatai si durerei de cap sau junghiuri in cine stie ce locuri mai sensibilie in care am primit lovituri.
Oameni buni,exista si fete care asculta punk,si ele imbratiseaza acelasi mesaj,si ele simt nevoia sa se manifeste,insa haideti sa nu stricam buna dispozitie a celui de langa noi prin comportament agresiv,ingradindu-i libertatea de desfasurare.
Personal sunt satula de asa zisele miscari “tipice” ale muzicii punk sau hardcore,”mosh shit” sau wall of death,dansuri ce ma duc cu gandul la vreun ritual de imperechere ar primatelor.Nu suntem obligate sa primim pumnii vostrii in spate sau in abdomen sau,Doamne ferestre,intr-o zona sensibila cum ar fi sanii.O astfel de lovitura aparent “inofensiva” poate provoca probleme de sanatate grave,poate duce la aparitia nodulilor cancerosi la nivelul sanilor,dureri permanente si asa mai departe.Si nu este prea dragut.
Am fost placut impresionata de ultimul concert Pavilionul 32,care a avut lor pe 7 aprilie in Suburbia,Bucuresti.Au fost vreo 50-60 de persoane,cu tot cu trupe,motivul principal fiind probabil data prost stabilita a concertului,cu o zi inainte de Paste,cand mai toata lumea a plecat acasa,prin meleagurile natale.
Ideea la care vroiam sa ajung este urmatoarea: in timpul recitalului celor de la P32,lumea s-a infierbantat si a inceput sa se impinga mult prea agresiv pentru gustul unora,inclusiv pentru gustul lui Tavi,vocalul trupei.Inaintea piesei “Gata”,Tavi si-a scos tricoul,spunand ca va face ceva ce nu a mai facut niciodata.A cerut un marker negru,iar cei prezenti,putin amuzati si curiosi,s-au grabit sa fara repede rost de unul.In cele din urma s-a gasit un binevoitor sa-i incredinteze carioca.Tavi a scos capacul markerului si a inceput sa isi deseneze doua cercuri pe piept: “Avem aici o pereche de sani.Sa nu uitam ca printre noi sunt si fete.Orice lovitura pentru ele,in aceste locuri,poate fi o lovitura fatala,care stim cu totii unde pot duce aceste lovituri pe care voi le imprastiati in timp ce ‘dansati’.Sper,ca odata pentru totdeauna vom invata si noi ca muzica agresiva nu presupune un dans agresiv si cu aceasta ocazie,am sa rog toti baietii sa se dea la o parte si sa lase fetele in prima linie,sa vad aici un circle pit numai din fete”.Din pacate,din cele 60 de persoane prezete,doar 7 erau fete,destul de timide.Oricum,cert e ca toata lumea a inceput sa aplaude si pentru prima oara am avut un sentiment de unitate,fara pic de diferentiere intre sexe la un concert si cred ca toata lumea s-a simti bine.
Astept ziua in care vom putea sa dansam toti la un loc,fete si baieti,fara sa ne scoatem ochii sau sa ne spargem capetele,fara comentarii de genul “stai deoparte,pentru ca esti fata”.
And remember kids: “FAST MUSIC DOESN’T MEAN VIOLENT DANCING”!!!

Ca incheiere,

Good Clean Fun – A Song For The Ladies

Don’t settle for second best, don’t follow all the rest
You say you want the same things well let’s put it to the test
Because talk is so cheap when you are screaming at a wall
And it is really hard to hear when you’re the loudest of them all
If you want to change the world, quit all your yapping
If we don’t start it here, well then it’s never going to happen
There is evil in this world but it begins right at home
So let’s clean house, then let’s cast the first stone

You think equal rights means equal hits
(We’re sick of all your tough guy shit)
As you leave the show with the people you’ve hurt
(You wonder where you left your shirt)
You’re a big tough guy and your dance moves are great
(Strong as an ox, dumber than slate)
Your new tattoos they look first rate
(You wonder why you can’t get a date)

Sexism sucks! It didn’t end in the 80’s
And hardcore still needs another song for the ladies
Girlfriends are great, please don’t get me wrong
But it’s time to put down that coat and come sing along
Because I can’t hear your voice from the back of the crowd
Move to the front, and shout it out loud
Keep your eyes on the prize, you know what I mean
If we can’t change the world, then let’s change the scene

Second class kids in the scene where we all live
I’m angry as hell, but I still stay positive
We’ll fight this fight and I know we can do it
If there’s a wall in our way, just watch us go through it
Because it’s time to realize that we’re all in the same boat
If you think you’re so tough, then here, hold your own coat
Get it through your head that I don’t want your chivalry
Get it through your head: I’m not here for you to fuck me
Times have changed, but you would never know
Not from looking at the people and their places at a show
So raise your voice, join the struggle for equality
My dream for the scene, one word: UNITY!

in sfirsit, rindul barbatilor!

evo tv este, se pare, “primul post de televiziune online” din romania. este, de asemenea, un loc in care poti viziona “tanga news” si alte stiri cum ar fi “o scumpa intre masini scumpe”, adica un loc unde te poti uita la corpuri dezbracate de femei (alta premiera absoluta). [pentru cei cu gusturi mai nesexiste, este si o fata mai imbracata numita “roz”.] nimic surprinzator pentru un proiect destinat (se presupune) utilizatorului de internet tipic, din partea producatorului de mass media veteran si tipic. nimic surprinzator nici in faptul ca restul presei comenteaza despre el ori neutru-spre-pozitiv (“un experiment TV pe internet”, “o alternativa la divertismentul de televiziune”) ori, daca-l critica de exemplu ca “gradina zoologica”, discutind nu felul in care se foloseste de stereotipuri de gen si apeleaza la subiecte si imagini misogine pentru a “prinde” la publicul tinta, ci prostul gust al “duduilor” si “fatucilor” care intruchipeaza aceste stereotipuri. astfel, aflam ca “Daca vreti sa va puneti la punct cu tehnici avansate de agatat online, in cadru organizat, dar si cu tot felul de barfe de ultima generatie, Evo Tv e locul care va trebuie. Daca, insa, vreti cu tot dinadinsul divertisment cu miez, cautati in continuare.” ceea ce e, in fond, o reclama: publicul vrea “tehnici avansate de agatat online” si “barfe de ultima generatie”, nu? evo tv asta pune la dispozitie, ingrosind pina la absurd cit de bine se potriveste oferta cu cererea, si toata lumea e fericita. cei care vor “divertisment cu miez” (deoarece lipsa de miez, nu miezul misogin, e problema aici) pot sa caute mult si bine. desi bineinteles nu vor cauta; de ce ar face-o, evo tv e chiar cool (“andrei gheorge tine deja la evo tv”)?! la urma urmei, nu se defineste divertismentul tocmai prin faptul ca nu e atit pentru informare cit pentru “distractie si destindere”? si ce poate fi mai familiar, placut si distractiv decit misoginia?

in acelasi timp, sa nu uitam ca nu exista sexism contra femeilor in romania. egalitatea absoluta a fost atinsa demult, misoginia nu e misoginie ci reactii legitime la cit de demne de dispret sint majoritatea femeilor, iar feminismul e extremism (si singura problema “de gen” reala).

de aceea, bergenbier a lansat o inovatoare si distractiva reclama militind pentru “ziua barbatului”. care e premisa ei? o gluma inocenta despre cum intr-un climat atit de oficial misandru in care barbatii sint asupriti de existenta mult-prea-feministului 8 martie (la care se adauga martisorul si valentine’s day, niste inventii ce – of! – incearca si aproape reusesc sa dea peste cap ordinea patriarhala, acordind un statut superior femeilor si periclitind clar statutul barbatilor), ei ar trebui sa-si revendice dreptul de-a fi cu atit mai “barbati” (neutralizind feminismul scapat de sub control prin salvarea de la extinctie a unor obiceiuri esentiale identitatii masculine, cum ar fi sa NU lase capacul de la wc). sa nu ne complicam: e pur si simplu o gluma despre cit de evident aberant e feminismul, care e sexism. ha ha – oare va prinde la public fiind atit de inteligenta si “indrazneata”?

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asteptam cu interes “alternativele” care sa prezinte stiri in stilul pre-’89 (public tinta: batrinii nostalgici), sprijinite de vedetele cele mai “cool”, si in acelasi timp lansarea unei reclame la bere (medicamente?) cu sloganul “traiasca dictatura comunista!” care sa faca misto de cit de anti-comunisti am ajuns (ca in fond s-a infiintat c.n.s.a.s.!), ooof of. textual, ca impact si din punct de vedere “etic”, ar fi exact acelasi lucru. a, da, dar asta nu se va intimpla pentru ca – din fericire – n-ar fi ceva acceptabil pentru publicul larg si nu s-ar alinia la felul in care functioneaza societatea/mass media la momentul de fata. ca exemplu de atitudini problematice, sprijinul traditiei comuniste si batjocura anti-comunismului nu sint ok sau amuzante in mainstream. sexismul si anti-feminismul (impreuna cu rasismul si opozitia fata de ideea de-a promova activ drepturile omului), anxietatea de-a proteja discriminarea si privilegiile existente, sint. in plus, considerarea luptei pentru drepturi absurda e nu reactionarism si o atitudine dezgustatoare si condamnabila, ci o “parodie” care se impune/aplica.

in curind pe web: ZiuaBarbatuluiDeOrigineEuropeana.Ro, reclama inofensiva la un club! nu m-ar surprinde.

ps: interesant, in cursul zilei de azi inspirata emisiune “agata-ma” a disparut de pe site-ul evo tv. hm…